What are the CrossFit Games?

“In implementation, this looks like sport. This is revolutionary. It's as distinctive of the program as are the movements and the charter of functionality and variance. Our workouts are competitive events.

The strength and value of CrossFit lies entirely within our dominance of other athletes. This is a truth divined through competition, not debate.”

Greg Glassman, CrossFit Co-Founder & CEO
3, 2, 1 — GO!

The Games are over and the results are in!

The Top Female CrossFitter for 2008 is Caity Matter of Gahanna, OH, where she trains with Rogue Fitness. Tanya Wagner took second place and Gillian Mounsey took third.

The Top Male CrossFitter for 2008 is Jason Khalipa of CrossFit Unlimited in Milpitas, CA. Josh Everett came in second, with Jeremy Thiel in third.

The Affiliate Cup was won by the team from CrossFit Oakland.

Congratulations to all the winners and thanks to all the volunteers, spectators, and competitors for a great weekend!

Announcing the 2009 CrossFit Games

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The official dates for the 2009 CrossFit Games will be July 11-12, 2009.

The exact format of the Games will not be announced until July. It is likely to be quite different from the 2008 format.

The 2009 Games will not be open enrollment. There will be no scaling. You must qualify to enter. Adequate performance in the 2008 Games will count. There will be a series of qualifying events around the country (world) in May, 2009.

More details to follow here over the coming months.

76 Comments

I'm definitely qualifying in May AND getting some at the GAMES! This will be my first try. Good luck to all who aspire to compete. I hope to meet you in Aromas! :)

By Herm @ CF Los Altos, CA on September 26, 2008 5:56 PM

I assume you will be posting info on how we can set up a qualifying event in our area?

By Jerimiah on September 26, 2008 6:11 PM

"Adequate performance in the 2008 Games will count."

What is deigned as "adequate performance?" Placing within the top X performers, or simply completing all the workouts as rx'd within the time limit?

By Jacob "BullFrog" Tsypkin on September 26, 2008 6:50 PM

Hmm.

Well, y'all have fun.

By TexasPatrick on September 26, 2008 6:56 PM

I thank you for not scheduling the Games during the July 4th weekend!

By freddy c._one world on September 26, 2008 7:08 PM

Wow, let's get rolling early!

"adequate performance" I'm guessing my Fran time at the 08 games will knock me out of that. I guess I got to qualify...I'm already getting nervous! 3-2-1 GO!!

By Stavros @ Diablo CrossFit on September 26, 2008 7:21 PM

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!!

(I echo Freddy's comments; the fireworks the night before the Games was insane.)

By gaucoin on September 26, 2008 7:28 PM

That picture might be of the heat I was in for the run! Oh the memories...

By gaucoin on September 26, 2008 7:31 PM

Qualifying?

That's an interesting idea. Too bad we can't measure effort. Soon people will choose to watch CrossFit rather than participate.

By Phil Mancini on September 26, 2008 7:44 PM

This was just the kick in the pants I needed. I'm old, weak and totally not ready...this is going to be a tough winter. Bring it.

By Playoff Beard on September 26, 2008 7:55 PM

The Cf Games is getting serious. I wonder what type of prize money will be involved in 09'. Not that I have any false hopes, just curious.

Khalipa is getting married on July 18th. I'm glad he'll be in there for a chance to repeat.

By Austin@Unlimited on September 26, 2008 8:02 PM

Please tell me there's going to be masters division (50+), in addition to the open.

By T Sprague on September 26, 2008 9:40 PM

I am so excited...I actually got a little sick for a second...but now I am excited! Please, someone tell us what "adequate performance" means!

Miranda 801

By Miranda 801 on September 26, 2008 9:54 PM

Connors 18th Birthday, how fitting !

By mikki lee martin on September 26, 2008 9:55 PM

sweet it's not on the 4th of july weekend! i like the idea of having folks qualify! this will definitely be interesting. oooh and very different than last year...very curious now!

By nadia shatila on September 26, 2008 11:00 PM

California Qualifications are gonna be killer. Im gonna fly to australia so ill have a bettet chance of getting to finals.

By Johnny Di Gregorio on September 26, 2008 11:33 PM

"California Qualifications are gonna be killer. Im gonna fly to australia so ill have a bettet chance of getting to finals"

By Johnny Di Gregorio

We have a lot of fire breathers over here in OZ!!!!

By Shannon on September 27, 2008 12:28 AM

Cool stuff.

I'm not sure why people are moaning about qualifying. CrossFit is more than the CF Games ... you might not qualify for the Games, but you can still continue to improve with CF.

I can't qualify for the Highland Games world championships, I can't qualify for the Olympic Judo team, and I can't qualify for the BJJ world championship ... yet I still participate and have fun in each.

By Anthony Bainbridge - CrossFit Fredericton on September 27, 2008 4:27 AM

Holy bejeezum that's exciting. Time to step up my game and get focused

By EricBrandom on September 27, 2008 4:39 AM

Please try to tell in advance how the trials for outside of the USA will be, so we try to participate.
We are training CrossFit with intensity down here in Panama City (central america).
Bring it on 3,2,1 go.

By Oyden on September 27, 2008 7:49 AM

WOW! CF Games and the BJJ Worlds all in one month. Time to MAN-UP, lets do this!

By Chad on September 27, 2008 7:58 AM

Anthony B, I said it before and I'll say it again: you're an animal! You may not be world class in things you enjoy, but that doesn't mean they are not worth improving upon. You're 100% right about improvement versus getting to compete without qualifying. The qualification trials will bring a greater expectation to each qualifying individual!

My goal is now focused on total CF fitness in order to qualify for the Games. The fact that one must qualify for the Games in itself will increase the stakes and make it an accomplishment just to be able to be a competitor this year! 2009 will mark another quantum leap for Crossfit as a whole.


By Herm @ CF Los Altos, CA on September 27, 2008 8:20 AM

I disagree with Masters divisions.

Age is a number.

No scaling has already been announced.

Separating into age groups is a back-handed way of scaling.

You either bring it as RX'd or stay home.

Train harder.

I'm 38, and will be 39 by the time the games roll around, and chances are I won't have the mojo to compete with the best...

...but I sure as hell am gonna train like I can.

Who knows?

By christian on September 27, 2008 12:20 PM

CrossFit wouldn't be where it is today without scaling. I thought athletes differed in degree, not kind. I guess that's true but if you differ in degree then (pat on the head) keep trying.

Nice message.

By Phil Mancini on September 27, 2008 12:44 PM

Looks like it's time to get my Fran time down...

CF Games '09... I'll be there!

By RV-KY on September 27, 2008 3:04 PM

I agree with Christian, there should be no scaling, but disagee about not having a Masters Division. I love Crossfit and it has gotten me fitter than I have been in many many years. Bottom line is, at 50, I will never be able to compete against the best young talent in Crossfit. They are where I could only have hoped to have been 20 to 30 years ago. I say give us old farts a break and allow us to compete against each other with no scaling. We like to have fun too :)

By ExRM on September 27, 2008 4:44 PM

yes why not a masters division.At 69 I still love to compete and it would be nice to find the fittest old dude out there.

By jacinto on September 27, 2008 5:44 PM

CrossFit wouldn't be where it is today without scaling. The vast majority of CrossFitters scale their workouts. I'm not talking about the people who post or get their pictures on the site. I'm talking about everyone else who has committed themselves to CrossFit because it's scalable.

This notion of no scaling is elitism disguised as competition.

By Philip Mancini on September 27, 2008 6:49 PM

Phil,
The CrossFit Games are a competition to determine the fittest man and woman on the planet. Most CrossFitters scale and all CrossFit affiliates allow scaling. The Olympics have qualifiers, but all towns have pickup leagues. To say that a worldwide competition is elitism is silly.

By Tony on September 27, 2008 7:08 PM

I propose we put Phillip in charge of organizing an event that will handle:

1 - infinite number of competitors
2 - infinite number of qualified judges
3 - infinite time
4 - infinite scaling

When you figure out the logistics, Phillip, let us know.

By Anthony Bainbridge - CrossFit Fredericton on September 27, 2008 7:10 PM

Herm, if you're the same guy who recently posted Fran/FGB scores on the forum, I'd say you'll be a forced to be reckoned with at the Games. Keep up the good work!

By Anthony Bainbridge - CrossFit Fredericton on September 27, 2008 7:11 PM

Phillip, there's no need to disparage an event that's grown so quickly it has no other choice but to impart such measures. The Oympics don't scale their events, why should CrossFit? It's great that it is necessary to do this now so that the true 'elite' athletes of CrossFit can compete at the highest level. Those who scale already know they are pushing themselves to the best of their ability PLUS they can strive to not have to scale at all. The Games has become a whole new animal very quickly, calling it elitism is flippant and careless. Don't be a hater!

By gaucoin on September 27, 2008 8:16 PM

I never said anything about scaling. Full RX. At 50 it would be difficult for me to qualify for the games against elite Crossfit athletes in their 20s and 30s. I suspect there are only a handful of individuals 50+ who could qualify and probably none who could come close to placing in the top twenty. That doesn't mean that at 50+ individuals aren't capable of great athletic achievements. My desire to compete and push myself has never been greater. I'd like to test myself against athletes close to my age. I suspect that those who say that age is just a number are probably a lot younger. I think it takes a lot of work to stay fit and strong as you age. There's a lot of things working against you. Father Time is a bitch! Hey, if you're older and still want to go head to head with the fire breathers, have at it, compete in the open division, if you can get in. I'm not advocating age groups every five years like many sports offer. 50+ seems a good way to start. And I would certainly expect there to be a much smaller group qualifying for the games in a masters division, as opposed to the number in the open division.

By T Sprague on September 28, 2008 12:55 AM

At least in running/triathlon, there's no "scaling" everyone does the same course, but there's "elite" and then there is everyone else, broken into age groups. So you compete in age groups if you're not one of the top dogs.

Another point is that the games take on a larger than necessary importance within the Crossfit community because it's the ONLY real games. There aren't feeder games or regionals . . . yet. Not that it won't happen to cfit, but if I want to do a tri or a 5k/10k/anything I just wander down to the running store, and pick up 70 flyers and I can race/bike myself into oblivion. Cfit just doesn't have that maturity as a sport or an organization just yet.

Also, it was clear from the evolution of the two prior games that a lot of thought went into the last one. You could tell by the way the events were structured (am I wrong that more competitor slots opened when the 20 minute rounds/12 minute cutoff allowed for more rounds in any given day?)

So not having scaling, etc., means MORE top level guys and gals can go at it AND that's absolutely as it should be. But I think some folks are pointing out something along the lines of the fact that guitar companies don't make money off rock stars . . . they make it off us ordinary schmoes. For better or worse, it was the firebreathers that were the initial core of crossfit, but its success and longevity depends completely on there being a lot of us ordinary schmoes paying our fees and showing up week to week.

And it's not that I can't go to the games, it's that last year I could, but now I can't go ever again most likely (and I had me a rockin' scaled time . . . ) but there's nothing else similar to replace it yet. These events are just flat out fun.

I understand both sides of the argument, I just tend to side with the "inclusive" side of things. For me, it'll be more fun when there'll be mini-games out and about. That's all. I mean the regionals will be open, there's hardly a way they couldn't be, so hopefully that will be where I get my pain fix. ;-)

By TexasPatrick on September 28, 2008 6:58 AM

T Sprague:
(and other similar sentiments)

Please take a second to re-read your posts and recognize their self-serving nature.

I am not trying to be aggressive towards you (a problem with digital communication), but I think it's evident that you are looking for a way to serve your needs, or those of your peer group, over the entire CrossFit community.

If there's a Masters division, then younger folks will want a Teen division ...then 20-29, ...on and on.

Not only would this make the Games too long - it would make it sorta boring, confusing and worse, create questions as to who is the real champion.

As Tony alluded, the Olympics is a great example. You have athletes from the teens to 40's, and sure, you have to be pretty elite to compete in your 30's and 40's ...and 50's etc.

No one is attacking scaling. Every one of us has scaled in the past, will continue to scale in the present/future, and most importantly, will scale with our clients.

But the Games is about crowning the most fit CrossFit athlete, or as some would say, the most fit athlete period.

To many in the community, this creates room for one champion.

Lastly, I see nothing wrong with elitism - it's elite CrossFit athletes like Mike G, Josh, Jeremy, Nicole, Greg ...on and on, that continue to push the methodology and intensity to new levels and new benchmarks.

By christian on September 28, 2008 7:05 AM

I would love to see a 50 and older competition.It would take nothing away from the young studs who end up as the ultimate champions.It would be fun and enjoyable for all to be involved with and do nothing but promote this great sport.

By Jeff on September 28, 2008 8:27 AM

I think that whoever puts on an event (seperate from the games or as part of it) that caters to people who may not otherwise qualify for the official cf games (senior or scaled) will make some money, get great publicity, and put on a fun event. I think it would be great. If CFHQ can't do both, someelse should jump in.

By aaron on September 28, 2008 12:56 PM

I'd be willing to bet actual dollars that there WILL be a masters division at the CF games; as it should be. I think Jeff said it best. Although I am fairly new to CF it seems to me that CF was built on the idea that the average person can become an elite athlete in their own right. The catch is that CF is redefining what 'elite' means. It's not necessarily a how fast or how well a particular function can be in comparison to someone else as much as it is that whole-body functional fitness is available to everyone wherein the true competition is within yourself. Am I faster, stronger and fitter than I could have ever imagined compared to what I was before? If I try to compare that with some 34 year old guy or gal I will look like a failure but if I compare that to my previous function, that feels elite. What a better way to demonstrate that than to include a focus on the 50+ age group? The games are a blast and I will definitely be there (as a spectator and/or volunteer) to watch amazing feats of athleticism but let's not forget CF is NOT the Olympics. It's fun to see the truly elite perform but it is fulfilling to see the average folks perform at such a high function. Those are the folks that motivate me the most.

By Gloria on September 28, 2008 1:24 PM

"Separating into age groups is a back-handed way of scaling."

What a steaming crock full. I just watched my 6 year old run a half mile in half the time it takes me to do it, oddly in about the same time I used to do it at 18, then go jump in a bounce house for a half hour in 95 degree heat. You can't train away age, period.

By your logic, the CF Games are already backhand scaled for women by having a separate division for them. Therefore no gender division either, who is going to buy into that?

By jimc on September 28, 2008 3:07 PM

i hope to quailfy and then be able to compete....i dont care about anything but doing the best i can crossfit has taught me or maybe reminded me about that.

By Belch on September 28, 2008 3:10 PM

Christian:

Of course my position is self-serving. That doesn't mean it's without merit or wouldn't benefit a number of Crossfit athletes. Your comment that I'm looking for a way to serve my needs over the entire Crossfit community is laughable, unless of course, you speak for the entire Crossfit community, and it's clear that you don't since a number of posts have already supported the idea. Have you ever taken or supported a position that would benefit you? I hazard to guess that you have. It should be clear to everyone here, including you and me, that there is no 'right' answer as to whether a masters division or any other division should be a part of the Games. Those decisions will be made by the Crossfit Games organizers, and I will be fine with whatever their decision is.

A masters division could be added without causing any of the negatives you noted. The addition of a masters division wouldn't bring any confusion as to who's the fittest athlete, since I'd expect the events and scaling to be the same. I see it as adding to the Crossfit Games experience, with little downside, showing that athletes 50+ can display elite fitness well past common expectations.

My position is that there's argument for including a masters division at the Games. It's clear where we both stand on this topic.

By T Sprague on September 28, 2008 3:33 PM

I knew there would be qualifying for next years games. When people asked what my goal was for next years games I said I would just like to qualify. I finished in the top 100 but I think only the top 50 should get a automatic berth into next years games as there was a big gap between the top 50 and the next fifty. Regarless I will be there either as a spectator or a competitor. Hopefully the ladder.

By The pie on September 28, 2008 3:51 PM

The notion that CrossFit is a sport is somewhat new. I don't disagree that it qualifies as a sport but it's certainly too new to equate CrossFit to the Olympics.

I wasn't aware that an infinite number of people tried to sign up for the games, or that there was an infinite number of ways to scale a workout, but since Anthony asked, here is what I think would work.

You could hold qualifiers for men and women and allow them to compete in an open division. This would be the "best of the best." You could limit the number of competitors to whatever is manageable based on the available resources.

You could also create divisions based on age/sex/weight. This is commonplace in several competitions, including the Olympics (sex/weight). If the powers that be think this is the future of CrossFit, then this idea is a foregone conclusion.

If you want to compare CrossFit to other competitive venues, then at least consider the viability of inclusiveness.

My underlying irritation is this notion that only those top tier athletes deserve an organized venue to compete. I know, every athlete can compete at their own affiliate every day but it's these athletes that keep CrossFit growing, not the top tier.

Phil

By Philip Mancini on September 28, 2008 4:50 PM


Well, no matter what happens, I think we can all agree that we are psyched about the 2009 Games announcement.

I know there's a fire burning inside this CrossFitter.

Time to turn it up a notch. ...or two or three.

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

By Christian on September 28, 2008 6:56 PM

My only question is.... When are they going to get a new banner for the the site? I am pretty sure you are all sick of seeing my sorry ass representing the Games. I am all for some Jason Khalipa photos!

I'm looking forward to 2009. If my 25th place doesn't merit an entry, then I am looking forward to trying to qualify. If I don't make the cut, then I am looking forward to being a judge. Regardless, see you all there!

By freddy c._one world on September 28, 2008 9:43 PM

Hmmmm... I actually took the time to look through the comments.

What is the big deal about a masters division?!?! We are old. We have no business comparing ourselves to the youngsters. Who really cares if you are the fittest 40 or 50 year old on the planet? I don't, and in reality, no one else will care either. Here is what we should do: Wait for the the workouts to be posted. Do the workout. Post your time. The people who really matter will see your time, and they will be impressed.

I am adamantly against an age bracket in the Crossfit Games. Yes, I am impressed if you are under 18 or over fifty and competed, but really, I want to see the Fittest Man On The Planet kick ass at the Games. What do I think will come of this? We will see athletes in their forties and athletes in their teens rocking it with the firebreathers in their twenties and thirties. In reality, the fifties is not going to happen. Let's deal with it!

I'm seven years from my fifties. when I hit fifty, I still want to be the best athlete ever. My goal for the rest of my life is to win the Crossfit Games.

By freddy c._one world on September 28, 2008 10:12 PM

Ok, coming from Freddy, I'll take it and back down. Geesh, I've lost "actual dollars" already! What will be, will be and we'll all have fun! First of all, since I only started CF at the old age of 48 I don't suppose I should have even have an opinion one way or another and I definitely don't want to contribute to any bickering months before the games even start. I'm keepin' out of it from now on...

By Gloria on September 28, 2008 10:35 PM

Apparently my last comment didn't make it past the censors. I'll try to paraphrase.

I'm not sure I understand why the CrossFit Games would have infinite competitors, times, WODs, etc without scaling but here's what I would propose.

You could have qualifiers for men and women in an open division. Pick the top 10, 20, whatever number of men and women and let them compete to see who's the top CrossFitter.

I also think that there's room for other competitors whether you base it on age and/or weight. To compare CrossFit to the Olympics is a little premature and somewhat grandiose. The Olympics do have qualifiers but they also have weight divisions in several sports. Sure Dana Torres competed in her 40's but her events last less than 60 seconds, it's a single element, and she's been a world class athlete her entire adult life. To compare that with CrossFit is a bit of a stretch.

My irritation comes from the notion that people only want to see the top athletes perform. I think there is room for more. There was in the beginning, I don't see why it should change now.

By Philip Mancini on September 28, 2008 10:43 PM

44/6'1"/185

on the issue of age, i see it a lot like size. if you accept the premise that crossfit prepares people for life and all that which it might entail physically, then life makes no accomodation for size or age. in my opinion the games shouldn't either.

speal is an amazing athlete and pound for pound probably the strongest amoung us but clean and jerking 155 cost him the games (and trust me i was cheering for him). life doesn't care about pound for pound work output formulas. if 400 pounds has to be moved it still has to moved. same with age. we don't need weight or age divisions. when you step into the nasty dirt ring at aromas you accept whatever comes out of the hopper.

the last two games have been about participation. it should be clear by now with the dave castro challenges that crossfit takes seriously its claim that their fitness program produces the fittest athlets in the world. the games will now be that proving ground.

having said that, we could find out who the fittest old person is. it will be the oldest one who can qualify and have the lowest overall time. qualifying alone will now be a great accomplishment.

at last years games they recognized the top finishers for each workout. they could do the same for the top over forty finisher for example. it would be a nice knod but nothing more and i think that would be fine.

sure hope i can qualify. its gonna be tough. if i don't, crossfit has still made my life better and i'll have fun drinking beer all that weekend and heckling freddy c.

By ken c on September 29, 2008 7:02 AM

Phil, everyone has the opportunity to compete in a qualifier event. Some will go further than others. That's the nature of sport.

List the sports that have weight categories. Now list the sports that don't. Do you notice a theme?

By Anthony Bainbridge - CrossFit Fredericton on September 29, 2008 7:05 AM

Freddy and Ken (both last named C) are the voices of reason, thank you.

By gaucoin on September 29, 2008 7:31 AM

>> Freddy said, "...My goal for the rest of my life is to win the Crossfit Games."

-----------------------------------------

That should be the tag line for the CrossFit Games; or, at the very least, a very visible testimonial.

It definitely has mad t-shirt potential.

Not many more simple ways to sum up dedication and drive than that...

By christian on September 29, 2008 8:29 AM

I love Anthony and Freddy's attitude! It's true the CF Games is like a professional sport, sure I'd love to be in the NBA, but I understand my stocky 5'4" frame is not going to cut it.

By Jason Ackerman - Albany CrossFit on September 29, 2008 10:55 AM

I don't think it would be fair for someone to fly/drive/whatever to a different region than the one which they reside in in hopes to have an "easier" time qualifying. That would just mean that the "richest" CrossFitters would get to compete.

I'd like to believe that I m a decent CrossFitter with a decent chance (18+ round Cindy, 4:40 C2B Fran, 5:00 Annie) to qualify to the 2009 Games... one of my main goals for this year. But if there isn't a qualifier in Alberta, I would be extremely upset and disappointed as I do not have the funds to fly somewhere else to qualify and to fly to Cali for the Games.

I hope they schedule the qualifiers for each Province/State based on enrolled CrossFit numbers. Every CrossFit should have to send in a list of the CrossFitters signed up at their gym, and number of qualifiers for that region should be based on that. Cali is bigger from what I have heard in terms of CrossFitters so they should get more qualifiers.

By Katrina Burton - CrossFit Lethbridge on September 29, 2008 12:57 PM

Invite Yuri van gelder. It would be a nice marketing and pr stunt. Dont have the faintest idea if he can run like you guys but my 5000 dollars would be put at him winning the other events.Prove me wrong ;)

By jost on September 29, 2008 2:19 PM

What about us who do this all at home, the closest CF gym is close to 2 hours away... How would we factor into regional qualifiers?

By pfeifalife on September 29, 2008 4:04 PM

Anthony,

You're going to have to spell it out for me because I'm not following your logic.

By Phil Mancini on September 29, 2008 11:23 PM

Phil,

This is based on memory, so forgive me if I'm off by a a few numbers. Of the 40+ sports in the Olympics (winter and summer) only 4 have weight classes. Three of them are 1-on-1 combat sports (wrestling, judo, and boxing) and the other is weightlifting. Bottom line - the majority of sports do not care about body weight. I don't think CrossFit should either. In fact, based on the outcome of the biggest guys, I don't think it's a factor.

Bottom line - it's a contest. It's entertainment. There is limited space. I don't see how you could possibly want anything other than the best of the best to represent CrossFit.

By Anthony Bainbridge - CrossFit Fredericton on September 30, 2008 11:49 AM

I completely agree with you on the weight categories Anthony. But before long, every CrossFit competition will have the same general build of athlete good at certain things at the elite level.
Look at gymnastics for example (which has alot of elements in the CrossFit "program")... the top elite gymnasts are all very short (Liukin being the tallest at 5'2"), the stockier gymnasts are only good at vaulting and tumbling, while the slender/flexible gymnasts are graceful on the bars and beam.
I think people are trying to look to deeply into making categories to make things "fair". No matter what you do things are always going to be unfair for someone.
I am 5'2" and an ex-national level gymnast... my feet don't touch the floor when I sit on a chair and I can't even reach to the second shelf in the cupboards. But I am still required to shoot the wall ball shots to 10' and jump the 24" box (which is about my hip height). Meanwhile, another guy at the gym can stand and touch the ball above the line without throwing it and the box only makes it to his knees. Fair NO but you can't go and adjust every exercise to exactly suit each individual.
I for one am completely against categories based on age, weight, height, etc.
K.I.S.S - Keep It Simple Stupid

By Katrina Burton - CrossFit Lethbridge on September 30, 2008 12:38 PM

Can't wait for this years games, a ton of beasts are going to come out! My wedding is the weekend after so I'm glad they made it on the 11th and 12th.

By Jason Khalipa on September 30, 2008 3:33 PM

Just got done with the Coach Rippetoe program and I think I can do this. I'm confident all the way. 3...2...1...GET SOME! P.S. I'm very excited to meet all of my fellow CrossFiter's.

By Justin O. CrossFit Vallejo on September 30, 2008 8:17 PM

Anthony,

I understand your point regarding weight classes but there is some validity based on the logistics of the CrossFit Games. Last years event favored the heavier athlete and I would have reservations in that the workouts were random. How could you organize a weekend event without knowing what workouts the athletes would perform? That fact alone creates problems with finding out who's the best of the best.

In my opinion, CrossFit would be better served with trying to include as many people as possible. Just because you're not a top tier athlete doesn't mean you're a poor representative of CrossFit. I don't think that was your point but in all fairness, the majority of CrossFitters will never perform like Khalipa or Everett. But it's these people that keep CrossFit growing. We scale workouts for this very purpose. To exclude the majority for the sake of the minority seems wrong to me. I know you can't appease everyone but I'm sure there's a middle ground.

Maybe the games have taken on a different meaning that I just don't get. But based on my experience with organizing athletic events, it's always good to find ways to include as many people as possible. Excluding people this soon seems like a bad move.

By Philip Mancini on September 30, 2008 10:00 PM

Katrina, interesting points except...

1. Liukin is one of the top elites on floor despite having a dancer build compared to Sacramone and Shawn Johnson. Let's not forgot Khorkina was who a giant by gymnast standards.

2. 24 inch box jumps should be easy for any gymnast. It's not even fair to the general CF'er for any ex gymnasts.

I think age categories might be interesting but it also depends on how many would fit into the categories. How many under 18yo really competed? How many over 50 really did? It doesn't make sense if it's only a handful.

I wonder what adequate performance was, namely if my Burpee/DL and run time qualified as my Frannish wouldn't. It will probably be intense in Cali. But that would be enough for me as well. =-)

By Blair Lowe on October 1, 2008 1:27 AM

Phil, I disagree that 2008 CF Games favored heavier athletes. I don't know everyone in the top 20, but based on a quick look I'd guess the average weight is between 170 and 175. Quite a few top finishers were below that - including Pat Barber, Dutch, Speal, OPT, and AFT.

I have no idea what you mean about random events. The organizers knew the events ... did you participate or attend this year? I'm wondering if you have any idea what it's like to organize, judge, record, and rank 900 workouts in one day.

CrossFit does include as many people as possible. Free website, free videos, free forum, an extremely affordable journal, seminars, specialty certifications, and over 700 affiliates world wide. All designed to be scaled to any level - both up and down. How much more inclusive can you get?

The CF Games are fun. They are entertaining. They are a contest. But they are not the end-all-be-all of CrossFit.

Honestly, I think you're over reacting (especially on your blog with the whole "shame on CrossFit" bit) ... it's a 2 day contest. You have another 363 days per year to make celebrities of your affiliate members. That's what we do, anyway.

By Anthony Bainbridge - CrossFit Fredericton on October 1, 2008 4:33 AM

I agree that CrossFit is inclusive. I should have distinguished between CrossFit and the CrossFit Games in my last post. My mistake.

If its gotten to the point where the CrossFit Games can't manage the number of people who want to compete, then maybe it's time to change venues. Move the games to a big city, create different divisions to appeal to more competitors, and I'd be willing to bet you could get 1,000+ competitors willing to pay $50+ to compete. In a big city you'd have more access to venues that could accommodate more media, more spectators, more sponsors, more athletes, and more affiliates that could provide equipment, manpower, logistical support, etc. CrossFit isn't shy with the claim that it's the best workout around (I agree), so maybe it's time to bring it more mainstream. I'm still surprised by how many people haven't heard about it.

I've been involved with CrossFit for a long time and remember when beasts like Thiel were few and far between. I'm glad that we're seeing more and more of these athletes develop but without the more prevalent "average" CrossFitter, CrossFit would not be where it is today.

We're not going to agree but I respect your position.

By Phil Mancini on October 1, 2008 10:00 AM

When I started CrossFit in June of '07, I couldn't complete most of the WODs Rx'ed. I had to scale everything. 6 rounds of Cindy my first try! I couldn't even finish a 10k.

Now, I'm completing every WOD as Rx'ed (and can almost keep the 3 on-1 off schedule). My times and weights are finally moving past intermediate levels and my PRs have all been incrementally getting better. I know I couldn't compete with the likes of Dutch or Khalipa today, but qualifiers are 7 months away, so I've got a shot to train and get ready, despite being the "average" CrossFitter.

I think having people qualify gives every person a chance to step up and test their mettle, rather than just the first people in line. I love it. I'm looking forward to it.

If you can't compete at the elite level (as I may not be able to), do the workouts at home and see how your time compares or go to Aromas and watch/help/cheer. There are positive ways to be a part of the games.

By buretto 6'2" 199# 34yom on October 1, 2008 12:22 PM

Freddy C. - You and me both, brother. Some day I want to win it all. Your 25th was a great inspiration to me. I turn 39 soon and Jeff Tincher cracked the top 5 at the same age. Awesome.

BJJ Pan Ams are in April 2009, so I should be peaking for the May qualifiers (unless top 50 at last year's gets you in). Either way, I'll be there to see the spectacle.

(Hey, Freddy, maybe we can get "grandfathered" in for our 10th place tie at the 1st Games!)

By Dale Saran on October 10, 2008 11:14 AM

No scaling??????? :) If so, please explain why the weights are different for women?

By Seth on October 14, 2008 7:50 PM

The weights in the named WODs are based on the average male at a weight of 175#. Most women are no where close to a weight of 175#... therefore the most logical explanation is that at CrossFit Games they chose to have the weights for females based on the average female at a weight of 125#.
135# Grace for males = 95# Grace for females based on that logic

By Katrina Burton - CrossFit Lethbridge on October 15, 2008 9:22 AM

Katrina,
This is a common conception that many espouse, but it doesn't apply to CFHQ programming. There is no consideration given to an athlete's body weight when programming the main WODs, just as in nature.

The workouts have evolved over the last few decades, and the prescribed loads are what they are. Guys like Speal do them as Rx'd even though he weighs 135. Guys like Welbourn also do them as Rx'd even though he weighs 310.

Women's loads are scaled to approximate performance. If the loads are scaled appropriately, the top women's times for the workouts should be pretty close to the top men's times.

If you look at the 08 Games results, they are in the ballpark, so the scaling was pretty good. Regardless of body weights and percentages, if men's and women's times are widely divergent, the scaling wasn't appropriate.

By Tony on October 15, 2008 2:13 PM

Age brackets are not like gender brackets or even height/weight brackets. First of all, age is a dynamic characteristic, while gender and size are pretty much static for life (I say gender is "static", and hope you're all cool with what I mean). Anyway, to introduce a 50+ age bracket at the games implies that we want to recognize some sort of performance handicap, or that a particular group wants to be recognized separately...like the Sr PGA...and who cares about those guys, anyway?

Look, I'm 46, in good shape and post times better than the average CFer, but I'll never break a sub-2:00 Fran. I'll also never be able to dunk a basketball or have multiple orgasms either. Is that fair? It's just life, and if I need someone to recognize me as special, I'll get a dog.

By Mark on November 14, 2008 9:14 AM

I think we need to define who the CrossFit athlete is. CrossFit is every person that participates in CrossFit type training. CrossFit would not exist without the Internet and the average Joe that participates in the WOD. Those who are making a living from CrossFit would not be where they are now without us.

So having the CrossFit Games represent a broad spectrum of those who have made it what it is would be appropriate. CrossFit has sold itself to the public as an exercise program that anyone can do. To not have age divisions would take many of those who helped make CrossFit what it is out of the arena, and place them on the bench.

Unlike the Olympics, and all the other sports mentioned, CrossFit owes its very existence to the Internet, and the average Joe who was able to better himself or herself through participation in its exercises. Age divisions would allow the CrossFit games to continue to represent all of the folks that have helped make it what it is today. If we have a division for female athletes, and male athletes, then we can certainly have divisions for age.

There can be a pro-division, were athletes have sponsors and compete far a cash prize, and there can be age group divisions where athletes compete against each other for the status of top CF athlete for his age group. This would allow the average Joe working out in his garage a chance to compete with those in his age division. To discredit the suggestion of having age divisions because other professional sports don’t have them really is not a good comparison for the CrossFit games. Other sports do not owe their entire existence to the Internet, and the average Joe following the WOD on the main page; attending CrossFit certifications; and purchasing equipment from CrossFit vendors to outfit his home gym.

If enough people speak up, there may very well be age group divisions at the CrossFit Games. See ya all again in 2009!

By Gar on November 24, 2008 4:41 PM

So... How do you think the qualifiers should be run?!

By buretto on November 26, 2008 8:01 PM

Age Groups are a great idea for competition and to grow the overall community. If you want to keep it exclusive and small not having age groups is going down the right path. Have an "Elite" group and then 10 year age brackets just like running events, mtn biking events, rock climbing events, etc., etc., etc.

By Justin Lane on December 3, 2008 3:08 PM

I'm 60 and while I'd love to go to the Games, I realistically don't think I'll be able to qualify. I'm gonna try as hard as I can. But the Games can only accomdate a finite number of participants, and I'd hate to think that a young 22 year old, a future OPT/Kalipa, couldn't compete because of some bogus Masters/AARP division to make room for the likes of me. No age divisions, no weight classes, straight, no chaser.

By john wopat on December 11, 2008 6:08 PM

Please tell me there is going to be a qualifier in Hawaii? Two affiliates out there....please save me the flight to the mainland.

By Dan Heely on December 25, 2008 7:26 AM